Major Hugh Maclure Hodgart, M.C.
©Lieutenant Colonel Edward De Santis, 2000.
The Hodgart Family
The 1881 British Census indicates that a Mathew Hodgart was residing in Greatflat Villas on Renfrew Road, Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland. Mathew Hodgart had been born in Quarrelton, Renfrew, Scotland and was 64 years old at the time of the census. He was the head of a household consisting of himself, an unmarried daughter named Jessie, age 28, and his mother in law, Janet Allan, age 92 years. Mathew Hodgarts occupation was listed as Engine Maker.
Mathew Hodgarts son John lived a few doors down on Renfrew Road in Gallowhill Cottage. John Hodgart had also been born in Quarrelton and was 39 years of age at the time of the census. Johns household consisted of himself, his wife Eliza Maclure, age 28, and their infant daughter Jane A., age 3 months. Also living in the house at the time was a visitor named Margaret Reid, age 62, of Glasgow. The Hodgarts had two servants; Jeannie C. Mowatt, age 28, of Deemers, Orkney, Scotland, and an English girl, Jane Marland, age 17. John Hodgarts occupation at the time of the census was listed as Master Engine Maker.
Early Life of Hugh Maclure Hodgart
In addition to their daughter Jane, John and Eliza Hodgart went on to have three sons. Hugh Maclure Hodgart, the main subject of this research work, was born at Linnsburn, Renfrew Road in Paisley, Scotland, on the 3rd of June 1890. He was the second son of John and Eliza Maclure Hodgart of Paisley . At the time of Hughs birth, the Hodgarts already had one son, Matthew, who was born on the 14th of April 1885 . The Hodgarts third child, John, was born on the 12th of October 1891 .
Merchiston Castle School in Edinburgh was to figure prominently in the lives of the Hodgart boys. Matthew entered the school as a Boarder in the third (October) term of 1898 and left in 1902. He went to work as a mechanical engineer for Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay Limited in Paisley [4, 5, 6]. Matthew appears to have married sometime between leaving Merchiston Castle School and the start of the Great War in 1914. His wife was Katherine B.C. Gardner.
Hugh entered Merchiston Castle Preparatory School in 1902 and his younger brother John followed him in 1903. Hugh then entered the school as a Boarder in the third (October) term of 1904 and John followed him the next year entering as a Boarder in the third (October) term of 1905 [7,8].
When Hugh graduated from Merchiston Castle School in July of 1907 he went to work for the Vulcan Engine Works in Paisley as an Ironfounder. His address after graduation was Westerley, Paisley, Scotland. It would appear that he was following in the footsteps of both his father and his grandfather, both of whom were Engine Makers. Hughs brother John graduated in July of the following year, listing his profession as engineer. Johns address following graduation was listed as 5 Craigfaulds Avenue, Paisley, Scotland [9,10].
Hugh Maclure Hodgart was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the Royal Engineers (Territorial Force) on the 2nd of February 1911. He was posted to the Renfrew (Fortress) Works Company, R.E. His older brother Matthew was also serving in this company at the time.
On the 3rd of February 1911 Hugh was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant in the Renfrew (Fortress) Works Company, R.E. He was stationed at the time at Fort Matilda in Greenock, Scotland . On the 21st of January 1914 he was promoted to the rank of Captain and was serving with the 1st (Renfrew) Field Company, R.E., a company of the Lowland Division. By April of 1914 he was commanding No. 1 (Works) Company, Renfrewshire Fortress Engineers at Paisley .
Service in the Great War
Captain Hugh Maclure Hodgarts company was mobilized on the 4th of August 1914, the very first day of the start of the Great War of 1914-1918. On the 26th of August 1914 his younger brother John was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the Royal Field Artillery and was posted to the 3rd Highland (Howitzer) Brigade Ammunition Column at Cathcart, a town located about 3 miles due south of Glasgow . Matthew was promoted to the rank of Captain on the 12th of October 1914 and was serving with No. 1 (Works) Company, City of Edinburgh Fortress Engineers with headquarters at 28 York Place in Edinburgh . By April of 1915, Captain Matthew Hodgart had transferred and was serving in No. 1 (Works) Company, Renfrewshire Fortress Engineers at Paisley with his brother Hugh .
Service in Egypt
On the 6th of June 1915, Captain Hugh Maclure Hodgart was appointed Second in Command of the newly formed 1/1st Renfrewshire Field Company, R.E. (T). He embarked for the Egyptian Expeditionary Force on the 10th of December 1915 in temporary command of the company. The company arrived at El Kubri, Egypt on the 15th of January 1916 and was immediately attached to the 10th Indian Division.
The 10th Indian Division (two brigades only) was already on the canal with its single field company of engineers when it was augmented by the 1/1st Renfrewshire Field Company and the 1/1st City of Edinburgh Field Company. The former left a detachment at El Kubri and moved to Ayun Musa on the 19th of January. The company worked on the canal defences, water supply and the light railway from Quarantine upon its arrival at Ayun Musa. The 1/1st City of Edinburgh Field Company, one of the few engineer units to be over establishment, began an outpost line for one and a half battalions astride the track to Nekhl.
In the 10th Indian Divisions sub-section of the canal defence system, the 1/1st Renfrewshire Field Company continued work on the defences in the rocky ground near Ayun Musa, and on water supply and light railway work right into March of 1916. Captain Hodgart had relinquished temporary command of the company to Lieutenant Colonel A.H. Anderson, R.E. on the 5th of February 1915. On the 4th of March, when Lieutenant Colonel Anderson was appointed Commander Royal Engineers (CRE) of the 10th Indian Division, Hodgart resumed command of the company.
On the 8th of March 1916 the 1/1st Renfrewshire Field Company moved to Esh Shatt to lay light railways, install water storage facilities in the forward defence posts and to construct defences there and at the Quarantine bridgehead. On the 12th of March the company was detached from the 10th Indian Division. Major C. Hordern assumed command of the company on the 12th of April 1916 and once again Captain Hodgart took up the position as Second in Command. Shortly after this change of command, the company received orders to leave Egypt for the Western Front in Europe. The company embarked at Alexandria on the 17th of April 1916 bound for France and Flanders. The unit strength at that time was 6 Officers, 231 Other Ranks, 8 animals and 21 vehicles .
Service in France and Flanders
When the company disembarked at Marseilles on the 23rd of April 1916, Captain Hodgart was ill and was admitted to hospital. He rejoined the company on the 12th of May. On the 1st of June 1916, Hughs brother John was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant in the Royal Field Artillery .
Captain Hodgarts company arrived on the Western Front in time to participate in the bloody battle of the Somme, which commenced and the 1st of July 1916 and lasted until the 13th of July. On the 6th of July, in the middle of the Somme battle, Major Hordern was admitted to hospital . Hodgart again assumed command of the unit, now known as the 1st (Renfrew) Field Company, R.E. serving with the 4th Division. On the 6th of August 1916, Hugh Maclure Hodgart was promoted to the rank of Temporary Major.
Major Hodgart commanded the company through the battle of Le Transloy in October of 1916 and was promoted to the substantive rank of Major on the 20th of December 1916. The 1st (Renfrew) Field Company, R.E. was redesignated the 406th (Renfrew) Field Company, R.E. in January of 1917.
Major Hugh Maclure Hodgart returned home on the 27th of March 1917 and did not return to active service for the remainder of the war. On the 15th of April 1917 he was assigned to the Territorial Force Reserve in the rank of Major. On the 18th of May 1917 the London Gazette published a mention in despatches for Major Hodgart citing his good works while on active service with his company.
All the while that Hugh was serving at home the war was still raging in France and Flanders. His brother John was awarded the Military Cross on the 25th of August 1917 for his distinguished service with the Royal Field Artillery . Sadly, all was not good news. Hugh was to learn that his older brother Matthew was killed in action on the 9th of October 1917 near Ypres during the battle of Broodseinde. Matthew was awarded the Military Cross, posthumously, on the 1st of January 1918. He also received a mention in despatches . Matthew was buried at Bard Cottage Cemetery, Boezinge, Ypres, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium, Plot V, Row A, Grave 11. At the time of his death, Matthews wife Katherine was living at Graewraes, Paisley.
For his service during the war, Major Hugh Maclure Hodgart was awarded the British War Medal, Victory Medal with mention in despatches, and the Territorial Force War Medal. He also received the Special Constabulary Long Service Medal and is thought to have been awarded the Military Cross as well, although this latter medal cannot be verified by a citation in the London Gazette .
Left to right: Military Cross, British
Victory Medal and Territorial Force War Medal
(the Special Constabulary Long Service Medal is not shown)
Post War Service and Civilian Life
John Hodgart continued to serve after the Great War and was promoted to the rank of Captain in the Royal Field Artillery on the 11th of March 1919 . Hugh was still serving as a Major with the Renfrewshire Fortress Engineers, Territorial Force Reserve in Paisley as late as December of 1920 .
Hugh Maclure Hodgart had married either during the Great War or shortly after it ended. Hughs wife Grace had their first son, Charles Glen, on the 9th of August 1920, and his second child, another son named Hugh Donald, was born on the 21st of May 1925. It appears that after the war, Hugh went to work for his fathers firm of Fullerton, Hodgart and Barclay Ltd. and eventually rose to be one of the managing directors of the firm [23a].
By June of 1926, Hughs brother John had transferred to the Royal Engineers and was serving with the 51st Highland Divisional Engineers at Hardgate in Aberdeen, Scotland. At this time he was also the Secretary of the local Territorial Army Association Branch .
Hughs third son, John (Iain) Tullis, was born on the 28th of May 1928. His son Charles entered Merchiston Castle School as a Boarder in the third (October) term of 1933 just as his father and his uncles had done before him. Charles was a Junior Prefect and was awarded colours with the Shooting VIII after 2 years of participation. He was also a member of the schools running team .
In the meantime, Hughs brother John was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel in the Royal Engineers (T.A.) on the 21st of December 1931 and was appointed Commander Royal Engineers of the 51st (Highland) Division [26,27]. In October of 1935 John Hodgart was still serving as the CRE, 51st (Highland) Divisional Engineers with headquarters at the Drill Hall, 80 Hardgate in Aberdeen. In addition to the Military Cross, he had already been awarded the Territorial Decoration by this time [28,29]. About this time, John Hodgart retired as a Brevet Colonel, Territorial Army Reserve of Officers .
Hugh Maclure Hodgart died of Hodgkins Disease on the 9th of January 1937 at the age of 47 . He was a man of many talents, a writer of poetry and a keen photographer who developed his own pictures. It appears that he was also fond of mountaineering and was an avid golfer. Hugh was Captain of the Ranfurly Golf Club from 1934 to 1935.
Although Hugh Maclure Hodgarts death ends the tale of the primary character of this research, the Hodgart family continued to serve King and Country, and the remainder of their story is certainly worth telling.
Further Services of the Hodgart Family
In 1937 Hughs son Hugh Donald entered Merchiston Castle School as a Boarder in the Summer term. He became a Senior Prefect, won a jersey with the First Football XV and colours for 2 years of participation with the Shooting VIII . Charles graduated from the School in July of 1937 and became a Justice of the Peace in 1960.
At the start of the Second World War in 1939, John Hodgart was called back to the Colours and was re-employed as a Major in the Royal Engineers. During the period from 1941 to 1944, John commanded No. 6 and No. 3 Bomb Disposal Companies, R.E. .
In October of 1939, Hugh Maclure Hodgarts son John Tullis entered Merchiston Castle School as a Boarder in the third terms, thus upholding the family tradition . In 1943 Hugh Donald Hodgart graduated Merchiston Castle School and enlisted in the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve. During the remainder of the war he served as an Able-Bodied Torpedoman and was discharged in 1945 .
During 1944 John Hodgart was re-granted the rank of Brevet Colonel in the Territorial Reserve of Officers and John Tullis Hodgart graduated from Merchiston Castle School. Of all the members of the Hodgart family, John was the only one not to serve with the Forces.
Charles Glen Hodgart was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the Royal Engineers (T.A.) in 1938. He served during the war in North Africa, Egypt, and Italy, and in Greece from 1952 until 1960. He was awarded the Territorial Decoration for his service . In 1953 Charles was elected an Associate Member of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers and in 1954 he became the Managing Director of Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay, Ltd. In 1954, Charles also became the Director of Maitlands (Iron Founders), Ltd.
In September of 1956 Charles, then a Lieutenant Colonel, assumed command of 102 Corps Engineer Regiment at Paisley. At that time the regiment was composed of the following units :
238 Corps Field Park Squadron
276 Field Squadron
279 Field Squadron
540 Field Squadron
In 1960 Charles was still serving as the Commanding Officer, 102 Corps Engineer Regiment. From 1960 to 1961 he served as Deacon of the Incorporation of Skinners, and in 1961 he was elected President of the Paisley Branch of the British Legion. From 1961 to 1962 Charles served as Captain of the Ranfurly Castle Golf Club.
John Hodgart died in Paisley on the 6th of April 1961. The family lineage was carried on by the sons of Hugh Maclure Hodgart. The following data was available on the brothers as of 1962:
Charles Glen Hodgart was Colonel County Commandant, Renfrewshire and Bute A.C.F. and Deputy Lieutenant of Renfrewshire. His address in 1962 was Sunnylaw, Brediland Road, Paisley. He was married and had three daughters.
Hugh Donald Hodgart was the Managing Director of Maitlands (Ironfounders) Ltd. and Director of Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay Ltd. His address in 1962 was Fore House, 27 Park Road, Paisley. He was married at this time. He died on the 21st of June 1984.
John Tullis Hodgart was Managing Director of Charles E. Hart, Ltd., Engineers Agents. His address in 1962 was 2A Craigfaulds Avenue, Meikleriggs, Paisley. He too was married.
By 1977 Charles Glen Hodgart had become the Managing Director of Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay Ltd. in place of his brother Hugh. As of March of 1977 the firm was located on Renfrew Road in Paisley, but the firm ceased to exist shortly thereafter due to liquidation . Charles was still living at his former address in 1977. He died on the 21st of May 1997.
In the year 2000 the Hodgart lineage was still being carried forward by Hugh Maclure Hodgarts grandson, Hugh Hodgart, of Bearsden, Glasgow.
ADDENDUM NO. 1
The following information was obtained from Joan Hodgart of Sutherland in January of 2001:
ADDENDUM NO. 2
The information in this Addendum was kindly provided in December of 2002 by Matthew Stephen Hodgart of Guildford, Surrey. The information adds much to the Hodgart family history. Matthew Stephen Hodgart goes by the name Stephen and is referred to by that name in this Addendum. NOTE: Stephen Hodgart provided the information in presented in plain text. Information in italics was taken from Who's Who, 1983.
Hugh Maclure Hodgart, the primary subject of this research, was Stephen Hodgart's great uncle. Stephen Hodgart's father was Matthew John Caldwell Hodgart who was the only son of Hugh's elder brother Major Matthew Hodgart, MC, R.E. According to Stephen, photographs of Hugh and his brother Matthew show them to be remarkably similar in appearance, so much so that they almost could have passed for twins.
Stephen Hodgart's grandmother was Katharine Barbour Caldwell (née Gardner). She came from a long established family of Paisley lawyers. His father was born on the 1st of September 1916. He had a brief but interesting military career and a longer, rather distinguished academic career, which rated a four-column obituary in the London Times when he died on the 3rd of April 1996 at the age of 79.
According to Stephen and the London Times obituary, Matthew John Caldwell Hodgart was a shy and private man. He was never at ease with people who did not have his level of IQ and encyclopedic knowledge, for he had a formidable memory and very fast reasoning powers. In the right circumstances his conversation was stimulating and informative. He was an excellent teacher, especially to those students who knew what they were doing and were willing to learn.
Stephen's grandmother Katharine was a beautiful young war widow who wanted the best available education for her clever son. She did not believe that he could get the quality of education she desired for him in Scotland, so she sent him to Rugby, one of the famous English public schools. While at Rugby, Matthew earned a scholarship to Pembroke College at the University of Cambridge. Matthew was a brilliant student at Pembroke College and was invited to join the famous "secret society" of so-called Apostles consisting of an elite group of intellectuals. He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in 1938 (Jebb Studentship 1938-1939).
During the Second World War Matthew, like so many of the Hodgarts before him, served in the Army. He joined the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders at the outbreak of the war in 1939, but at some point during the war he abandoned regimental soldiering to serve in the Intelligence Corps and then in the Special Operations Executive (SOE). Because of the covert nature of SOE operations during the war, Matthew was always reticent about the details of his time in the military.
The nature of SOE operations required him to receive training in sabotage, explosives and demolitions, secret codes, weapons training and other combat skills. These "core skills" for SOE operatives had to be rapidly taught to aspiring agents. In addition to learning these skills, he eventually taught them to other men and once told his son that he quite enjoyed being a "Professor of Terrorism." His military qualifications therefore were quite the opposite of his Uncle Hugh's qualifications. Rather than building things, Matthew Hodgart was in the business of blowing things up.
For his war service, Matthew John Caldwell Hodgart was mentioned in despatches, appointed a Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur and also was awarded the French Croix de Guerre in 1945. He spoke excellent French and served in North Africa and Corsica during the early part of the war and finished the war in India with the rank of Major. Stephen could never extract from his father an intelligible account of what he did in North Africa or in India.
While in North Africa, Matthew Hodgart met and drank a few beers with Hugh Maclure Hodgart's son Charles (1920-1997), who was always known to him as "Cousin Charlie." Matthew enjoyed his food and wine, but always kept his drinking under control. This undoubtedly was a good thing, since too much drinking would not have been conducive to service in the SOE where secret activities were the trademark of their operations.
Matthew Hodgart returned to Pembroke College after the war and earned a Masters of Arts Degree in 1945. He then resumed his academic career as an Assistant Lecturer in English from 1945 to 1949. He was appointed a Fellow of Pembroke College in 1949 and held the position of Lecturer in English until 1964 when he sought and found promotion as Professor of English to the then new Sussex University. While at Sussex University he also was a Visiting Professor at Cornell University in New York State (1961-1962 and 1969).
He retired from Sussex University in 1970 and became a Visiting Professor, working on yearly appointments at Concordia University in Montreal (1970-1976), the University of California in Los Angeles (1977-1978), Stanford University in California (1979), La Trobe University) in Australia (1979-1980) and finally at the Johns Hopkins University (Hinckley Professor) in Baltimore, Maryland (1982). He ended his days in his very beautiful Regency house in Brighton, East Sussex. He was survived by his second wife who is still living in the house.
Matthew Hodgart never became a public figure himself, but his friends and pupils were well known in the arts, in the academic world and in political circles. Among these were poets, writers, broadcasters, journalists, satirists and other intellectuals, including the smarter politicians who were with him at Cambridge. Among his many famous acquaintances were the writer Kingsley Amis, the British Poet Laureate Ted Hughes, and Abba Eban the Foreign Minister for Israel. His recreations included travel, music and photography.
Hodgart published many books, some of which are still in print and are popular teaching texts. His first book on ballads is still reckoned to be a classic piece of research. He was, among other things, an expert on Samuel Johnson and James Joyce. The following is a list of his publications:
The Ballads, 1950
Song in the Works of James Joyce, 1959 (with Professor M. Worthington)
Samuel Johnson, 1962
(Editor) Horace Walpole Memoirs, 1963
(Editor) Faber Book of Ballads, 1965
Satire, 1969 (translated into various languages)
A New Voyage, 1969 (fiction)
James Joyce, Student Guide, 1978
Contributing author to the Review of English Studies and Times Literary Studies
Matthew John Caldwell Hodgart married Betty Joyce Henstridge in 1940. They had two children; Matthew Stephen Hodgart, born in 1943 and Jane Katharine Hodgart, who was born in 1947. Both grew up as children in Cambridge. Jane still lives in Cambridge. Stephen is married and lives in Guildford, Surrey. He has no children.
Betty Joyce Hodgart died in 1948 and Mathew John Caldwell Hodgart married Margaret Patricia Elliott in 1949. They had one adopted daughter.
Stephen continued the Hodgart family tradition by becoming an electrical engineer. He worked on military electronics systems for Marconi-GEC and currently is an academic, being a Reader in Electronic Engineering at the University of Surrey. He was appointed Visiting Professor to the Electrical Engineering Department of the University of Cape Town in the 1990s. Stephen includes among his professional interests the tracking and guidance mathematics of Earth satellites. His hobbies include playing jazz piano and philosophy.
 Commonwealth War Graves Commission, Register No. 440257.
 Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 174.
 Ibid., p. 201.
 The firm of Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay Ltd. originally was established in 1838 as Fullerton & Craig, engineers in Paisley. The firm existed under this name until 1920 as a partnership. The firm specialized chiefly in the construction of mine winding equipment, compressors, coolers and evaporators. In 1920 the firms name was changed to Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay, Ltd., engineers. The firm was still located in Paisley. Charles Glen Hodgart appears to have been the directors of the new corporation. It existed under this name until 1977 as a limited liability corporation and continued to specialize in the type of equipment previously mentioned. In 1977 the firms mailing address was:
Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay Ltd. Telegrams: "Vulcan, Paisley"
P.O. Box No. 10 Telephones: 041-889-2163/4/5
Vulcan Works Telex: 779297
Paisley PA3 4BE
The Directors of the firm in 1977 were listed as the following:
Charles Glen Hodgart, T.D., D.L., C.Eng., F.I.Mech.E., J.P.
Hugh Donald Hodgart
Ian Tullis Hodgart
B.E. Shaw, B.Sc(Eng), C.Eng., M.I.E.E.
M.C. Rodger, C.Eng., M.I.Prod.E.
The firm apparently ceased to exist in 1977 due to financial problems.
 Glasgow University Archives & Business Records,
Repository Code : GB 248. GB 0248 C0026, 24 October 1999.
 Letter dated 31 May 1977 from Mr. C.G. Hodgart, Fullerton, Hodgart & Barclay Ltd. to the author.
 Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 197.
 Ibid., p. 201.
 Ibid., p. 197.
 Ibid., p. 201.
 Monthly Army List, December 1912, p. 853.
 Monthly Army List, April 1914, p. 857.
 Monthly Army List, February 1915, p. 678.
 Monthly Army List, February 1915, p. 851.
 Monthly Army List, April 1915, p. 857.
 Sir Archibald Murrays Despatches (June 1916 June 1917). J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd., London and Toronto, 1920, p. 181.
 Monthly Army List, June 1919, p. 703.
 It is not known whether Major Hordern was wounded during the battle.
 London Gazette, No. 8811, p. 17.
 London Gazette, No. 38, p. 18.
 Hugh Maclure Hodgarts name appears on page 364 of Army Honours and Awards as having won the Military Cross. The list containing his name was originally published in the Army List of April 1920. The data from this Army List were reproduced in Army Honours and Awards by J.B. Hayward and Son, London, in 197_. His name also appears on page 2393f of the December 1920 Army List under Renfrewshire Fortress Engineers (Territorial Force Reserve). The entry includes the postnominal M.C. next to his name. His medal group, when purchased by the author, did not include an M.C. A tailors specimen was added to his medals to "complete" the group.
 Monthly Army List, December 1920, p. 681.
[23a] A letter from Hughs son Charles Glen Hodgart, written to the author in 1977, indicated that a portrait of Hugh Maclure Hodgart hung in the Board Room of the firm. It may be inferred that H.M. Hodgart was an officer of the firm for his portrait to be put on display in such a manner. C.G. Hodgart also indicated that this was the only picture of his father that he had; that is, he had no photographs of him.
 Monthly Army List, December 1920, p. 2393f.
 Monthly Army List, June 1926, p. 347a.
 Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 324.
 Monthly Army List, October 1935, p. 40.
 Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 201.
 Monthly Army List, October 1935, p. 339b.
 Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 201.
 Ibid., p. 197.
 Ibid., p. 339.
 Email dated 30 November 2000 from Hugh Hodgart. The date when Charles became a Justice of the Peace apparently was 1960 and not 1938 as stated in the Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 234.
 Merchiston Castle School Register, p. 201.
 Ibid., p. 345.
 Ibid., p. 339.
 Ibid., p. 324.
 The Sapper, November 1956, p. 146.
 Email dated 30 November 2000 from Hugh Hodgart.